No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

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No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by Magic_Neil » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:52 am

I installed a Kenwood DDX9905S along with Maestro RR and the Jeep Cherokee CHK1 kit on (surprise surprise) a 2016 Jeep Cherokee w/factory amp, and it was working great. After running on that for a few weeks, I'm trying to bypass the factory amp into an aftermarket amp using the onboard 6 channel pre-outs on the DDX9905S, and though everything seems to be working just as well, the balance/fade control isn't working at all. Is this a byproduct of flashing the RR for "with factory amp", or did I need to select something different during the configuration? I know the amp is taking the discrete signals into their respective channels (plugging in an RCA somewhere lights up that area of the car, so it's not doing some funky mixing). Volume control is working fine too, and if I adjust the sub level on the deck it also increases/decreases.

I first set it up around mid-June, so I assume that it has the ADS-RR(SR)-CHR03M-DS (512) (2.1) dated May 10.

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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by Dara DeGrand » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:36 am

You must re-flash and uncheck the option for the OEM amp. At that point, the fader should work properly. The OEM amplifier only has a left and a right input, so there is no need to 'fade', as it is all done digitally. Once you re-flash, it should work with your new amplifier.
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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by Magic_Neil » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:04 am

Ok, will do!

On a side note, once it's flashed back, will the factory center channel still work at all, or probably not? It's still working now for chimes/sensor (since it's still flashed for the factory amp), but if it still works after (fingers crossed!) I can leave everything in and not have to figure out a where to mount the SP1 speaker chime.

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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by Dara DeGrand » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:21 am

It won't work- It is OEM amplified. When you tell us in the flash that you don't want to keep your OEM amplifier, we won't turn it on anymore.
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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by Magic_Neil » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:21 pm

Ok, I got everything reconfigured, and the fade/balance is working perfectly!

One thing I do notice though, is that I'm getting hardly any sound out of the ACC-SP1 for alerts. Is there any way to adjust volume on it? I also noticed that now on the DDX9905S that the beeps that come with changing inputs isn't working.. not really a problem, just a curiosity that may or may not be related. I did double-check the wiring, and I'm certain I checked the speaker it as an option when flashing.

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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by JustinFerroni » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:57 am

Cime volume should be adjustable through the Maestro setup menus. With Kenwood it is under the AV settings menu then OEM SETUP.
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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by Magic_Neil » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:36 am

Ok, I found the menu option and it hasn't made a difference in either of the chimes.

I'm going to pull things apart and check the connection for the ACC-SP1 again, and I guess re-flash again if I need to.. is there anything that I would need to have done different than my original config? When I reflashed for the no-amp, I selected the ACC-SP1 accessory, but I also told the config that I wasn't using the amplified system AND to not use the amplifier (I don't know if this makes a difference). I also didn't flip the green/white connectors around, as one would in a no-amp situation, but I assume those wires are for audio and wouldn't make a difference since I'm bypassing the Maestro and going straight out with RCA's.

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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by Magic_Neil » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:03 pm

I double-checked the config and re-flashed, and I've still got the following issues:
-No beep for traffic/parking sensor
-No beep on HU (changing source, etc)
-The rear left-center wheel button doesn't work (should change FM preset, among other things)

Previously the chimes for traffic/parking sensor were coming from the factory amp's remaining center speaker, but it was removed, and during the flashing it disables the amp anyway. The HU beeps was working before, and I would PRESUME that this was a function of the HU. Before re-flashing to correct for the factory amp being bypassed, the left-center steering wheel definitely worked.

I tried re-flashing as-is, and it didn't make a difference. I also re-flashed having the factory amp checked as being installed, but unchecking the option to retain it. Flashing in either case didn't make a difference. Also, adjusting the volume did not make a difference; I confirmed that the speaker is connected (the terminal is nice and large, so this looks good), and also confirmed that there is no audio coming out of it at any time.

I know that at least the parking sensor is working, since the visual cue comes up on both the HU, as well as the center console. I'm also certain all of my connections are sound, after having played around with it today. My flash settings are 100% default, at this time; steering wheel with controls is selected, CHK1, NAV and SP1 accessories are selected, factory amp is unselected (so that it's not retained), and all steering wheel controls are default.

So what are my next steps? It seems really unlikely the speaker is defective (it looks like just a basic chime speaker), I don't know what to make of it. It's also really odd that the HU chime would die, unless that's being passed through to the ACC-SP1 via the Maestro (which would be a nice touch). Also I don't see why either of those would impact the steering wheel control of the SINGLE button, while everything else remains perfectly operational.. especially with the only change in the flash being the removal of the factory amp.

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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by edu8rdo » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:15 pm

Magic_Neil wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:03 pm
I double-checked the config and re-flashed, and I've still got the following issues:
-No beep for traffic/parking sensor
-No beep on HU (changing source, etc)
-The rear left-center wheel button doesn't work (should change FM preset, among other things)

Previously the chimes for traffic/parking sensor were coming from the factory amp's remaining center speaker, but it was removed, and during the flashing it disables the amp anyway. The HU beeps was working before, and I would PRESUME that this was a function of the HU. Before re-flashing to correct for the factory amp being bypassed, the left-center steering wheel definitely worked.

I tried re-flashing as-is, and it didn't make a difference. I also re-flashed having the factory amp checked as being installed, but unchecking the option to retain it. Flashing in either case didn't make a difference. Also, adjusting the volume did not make a difference; I confirmed that the speaker is connected (the terminal is nice and large, so this looks good), and also confirmed that there is no audio coming out of it at any time.

I know that at least the parking sensor is working, since the visual cue comes up on both the HU, as well as the center console. I'm also certain all of my connections are sound, after having played around with it today. My flash settings are 100% default, at this time; steering wheel with controls is selected, CHK1, NAV and SP1 accessories are selected, factory amp is unselected (so that it's not retained), and all steering wheel controls are default.

So what are my next steps? It seems really unlikely the speaker is defective (it looks like just a basic chime speaker), I don't know what to make of it. It's also really odd that the HU chime would die, unless that's being passed through to the ACC-SP1 via the Maestro (which would be a nice touch). Also I don't see why either of those would impact the steering wheel control of the SINGLE button, while everything else remains perfectly operational.. especially with the only change in the flash being the removal of the factory amp.
Did you ever figure this out?
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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by Magic_Neil » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:44 pm

Yep. I ended up calling up support since I wasn't getting a reply here, here's what the end result was:

No beep on traffic/parking sensor:
This was a firmware issue that they resolved. I'm not sure if it's out in the wild, but they got me a new firmware in early August (ADS-RR-CHR03M-DS (512) 2.2) that corrected it, since I wasn't getting anything from the Maestro, or the attached SP1 accessory. After that was configured on my Maestro the cross-traffic and rear-parking beeps come in just fine. It's important to note here that these audio cues for those chimes come to the headunit via the data cable and NOT the speaker accessory, so for this application (the Cherokee KL) the speaker accessory is completely useless; that audio goes to the rear speakers, whether through the RCA pre-outs, or the deck/factory amp.

No beep on the HU:
The audio cues for the headunit chime only come out through the speaker outs on the headunit for some reason, and not the RCA's. Since I was bypassing the factory amp, there just wasn't anywhere for it to go. However, I just put the factory center channel back, and it's perfectly fine now. I didn't need the spot for the speaker accessory (see the previous note), so it worked out fine.. this one is 100% on Kenwood.

-Wheel control issue:
This one was on me. The Kenwood deck has some funky controls, from the looks of it, and while there isn't a function to change the FM preset, on the headunit itself you can set it such that instead of seeking through stations it just goes up/down through the presets (I think it was something like AUTO-2). That works perfectly for me, since I only listen to my presets anyway.

So anyway, for the Cherokee KL, here are the install notes to keep in mind:
-If you're using an aftermarket amp, you need to select the option to not use the factory amp, or you won't be able to fade/balance.
-The speaker accessory is useless for this application, as all deck chimes go through the speaker outs (not the preouts), while all vehicle chimes go through the rear RCA or speaker outs out.
-If you want to use the traffic/parking sensors you'll need to get the ADS-RR-CHR03M-DS (512) 2.2 firmware, or presumably newer. I'm not sure if that's publicly available yet, but I'm sure if you call in they can get you going.

One caveat that I have run into though, is that if I start to backup too quickly after starting the vehicle, the rear-sensor chime will be stuck on. I park in a garage, so it always triggers when I kick it into reverse. I don't know if it's an issue with the vehicle sensor or the Maestro, but if I wait long enough to acknowledge the startup warning it's fine. If I don't, I've got to cycle power on the deck, which means cutting the ignition, opening the door, waiting a moment, then restarting. Kind of a hassle, but at least I've got it 95% working. The support team is aware of it, though I don't know what progress is looking like at this point.

I hope this helps!

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Re: No fade/balance w/RR and CHK1 on Jeep Cherokee

Post by edu8rdo » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:04 pm

Helps a ton! Thank you so much.
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